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[Mart]

(By the way, I'll be having a go in the FD2 on track :salut: )

I'm taking the passenger seat out :liar:
I wanna check out yours and Marks car, see what the fuss is with Renaultsport cars.

[Sacrificial Pawn]

(By the way, I'll be having a go in the FD2 on track :salut: )

I'm taking the passenger seat out :liar:
I wanna check out yours and Marks car, see what the fuss is with Renaultsport cars.

Who mentioned 'passenger'?

On my current tyres I don't think you'll be blown away TBH.

[Mart]

Well get that sh-t changed. Couple of RS2's would see you right.
I've traded a drive of Marks car for mine. Don't see why we can't swap. Unless you drive like a nutter

[Sacrificial Pawn]

They're weird buddy; good tires, haven't got them to let go in any condition but just don't inspire confidence. :scratch: I can't fathom it. RS2's will go on when I change the V12's on the back and weather's a bit better.

Unless you drive like a nutter

No, course not...well, not in my car.

We can do though mate. :salut: See how the day pans out.

[yella]

I'd love to strip it myself but big savings on pre-done.

VTR for sale at the minute, £750 fully caged and stripped but they're a little gutless. no?

I don;t knwo it depends what your using it for really. There seems to be two types of trackday goers at the moment. there are those who turn up in a tricked out turbo'd jp monster with 550bhp and all the power they could ask for who blitz on the straights and are slow and uncontrolled through the corners, Then you see them very same cars being chased by a little Saxo VTR or 1.6 Fiesta Si which has had sensbible handling mods done. I would say start on something lower powered which is easily upgradable ( et voila the saxo VTR) leanr to drive that and then make it better as you go on. The thing of stripping yourself too gives you much more initmate knowledge of the car. Saxo's are so simple anyway, the last of the 80's style hatch build, no electric gubbins to worry about.

In fact just go get a saxo, do it now or your going to get me going through bloody ebay again dreaming of what i would do to one.

But remember to keep it sensible. when you get one, strip it service it and stick a cage in it. Then your good to go.

If you get a chance read this brilliant track build, guy called Ian of the Seatcupra.net forum. His was a little Arosa 1.4 that was dsigned for taking tot he ring, he was bloody quick in it, shame it met a grizzly end, but it shows that the safety gear he had in the car saved his life, have a look, for inspiration.


PS how easy is it to get a K20 in a saxo, i've seen one with the k20 in the rear of a saxo but not front??????

heres that thread

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=150494

[Sacrificial Pawn]

The simplicity is exactly what I want a Saxo for. Barn door engineering.

I don't mind being slow on the straights so long as it's good in the corners and I can learn to carry speed. Don't want the constant cat and mouse of getting blasted in straights only to be held up in the corners by said Skybarge.

Just done a quick tot up (love teh spreadsheets ) based on using all new parts from a retailer and I'll be looking at £1400 for the initial build...I could get this under £1000 with eBay and forums pretty easily. :salut: This is based on a completely standard car...of which there aren't many.

Total build after winter 2011/12 strip and betterment is looking to be £3500 + car. Probably a lot less as it's likely I'll be purchasing one with at least some mods and mostly second hand parts where I can.

[LouisQ]

It cost me £2800 to build this including buying the car... Sold it a few years later for £2750...

154bhp 134ftlbs

[Sacrificial Pawn]

That looks :cooldude: .

Have you got/can you remember the spec?! Still getting ideas on best parts to buy. :bigthumb:

[LouisQ]

Ask and you shall recieve...

ENGINE/TRANSMISSION:
1.6 16v saxo VTs engine with 80k,
Kent Cams pt51 camshafts,
J4 adjustable pulleys,
Stainless 4-2-1 manifold heatwrapped with 50ft of 2mm 1.5" wrap,
Peugeot sport group N stainless 2.5 inch bore (2inch tip) exhaust manufactured by scorpion,
Group N semi solid engine mounts (stiff as hell),
Raceland enclosed induction system with cut and modified scuttle for maximum airflow,
Running 153.6bhp and 134ftlbs of torque,
Mankee Cheng 1.4 XSi gearbox, rebuilt with uprated diff bearings and new syncros, VERY close ratio,
High pressure race compound clutch kit by black diamond,
1.6 GTi driveshafts with central bearing to eliminate torque steer,
Nissen alloy radiator,
Pacet 12" carbon composite Fan.

SUSPENSION:
Bilstein B8 sports dampers alround
-50mm springs
Custom build SOLID wishbone setup with aluminium rear bushes and nylon centre bushes (fantastic modification and very expensive!),
GTi rear axel with 24mm ARB,
GTi front struts with vertical droplinks,
22mm front ARB.
'FLO FLEX' polyurethane bushes throughout the ENTIRE car (very very stiff)
Top strut housings drilled for later 3 stud type.
custom built 'caged manufaturing' lower strut brace powder coated orange,
Lemforder steel Droplinks,

INTERIOR: (813KG)
Not much in here!
11point completely custom built roll cage built by Dan Trout of 'caged manufacturing', an outstanding piece of kit built to FIA standards and fitted with a tunnel brace and harness bars, unbelievably good quality! powder coated orange
Ektor bucket seats with sliding subframes,
Sabelt 4 point harnesses,
Sparco safari 2 arm suede steering wheel,
Entirely stripped interior, cargo netted rear quarters for storage.

BRAKES:
Rear brake disc conversion running 247mm brembo discs and red dot pads.
266mm big brake conversion on the front running brembo max high carbon discs and mintex 1144 pads (both brand new)
Braided stainless steel lines front and rear.
306 GTi brake servo (very large)
406 saloon 4 port 23mm master cylinder.
Brake lines run through car interior via a central mounted willwood fully adjustable bias valve,

Exterior:
205 1.9 GTi speedline alloys fully refurbed and powder coated orange and then wrapped in Yoko Parada spec 2 tyres,
Shilaber race designs fibreglass bonnet with 'x brace' support and drilled for airflow to filter,
Classy black sunstrip (essential for track days)
405 spray bars for windscreen,
106 S1 Rallye brake vents

Best track car i ever had. Building an EP3 trackcar now but this thing used to destroy them on track so god knows why i'm doing it....
There is little i dont know about 106's and Saxo's so give me a shout if you have any queries buddy.

[Rebecca]

I like it. And 205 GTI speedlines FTW. Haha. You got good taste.

Saxo/106's are good because of how cheap the parts are. Mine needed a driveshaft the other week. £35 + vat for a new one. I was gobsmacked.

x

[Sacrificial Pawn]

Thanks Louis. :salut: I am AMAZED it cost so little to build, hellova spec!!

Pays to wait for parts and shop around I suppose. Not the best formatted but it's from the spreadsheet.

Initial build
1 Strip
2 Sub-frames OMP
2 Sliding Rails OMP
2 Side Mounts OMP
3 Seats Corbeau Monaco
4 Harness Sparco 4 point
5 Brake discs - Front Maxtorq Group N
5 Brake discs - Rear Maxtorq Group N
6 Brake pads - Front Carbone Lorraine RC6
6 Brake pads - Rear Mintex OEM
7 Braided hoses Goodridge
8 Brake fluid CL Brakes DOT 4
9 Quick Shift Baker BM
10 Wheels Saxo OEM
11 Tyres R888 x 4
11 Fitting
12 Springs Apex spring
13 Strut bracing - Upper OMP
14 Strut bracing - Lower OMP
15 Front wishbone bushing Powerflex
15 Rear beam mount bushing Powerflex
16 Towing eye OMP 10mm
17 Steering wheel Momo/Sparco
18 Boss kit OMP hub
19 Blanking plates Perspex

Winter 2011/12 bettering
20 Cage OMP lightweight - Part Ass.
21 Engine Mounts Powerflex front lower
22 Coilovers Gaz Adjustable
23 Exhaust Kam Racing Race
24 Manifold Raceland
25 De-cat NA
26 Induction Raceland enclosed
27 Cams Newman fast road
28 Re-map
29 Ignition kill switch
30 Track wheels Team Dynamics Pro-Race 3

All that comes to £3,800.00 buying brand new. Reckon I'd save over £1,000 from eBay and second hand. Some of those items are 'would be nice to have' things as well.

[Sacrificial Pawn]

Saxo/106's are good because of how cheap the parts are. Mine needed a driveshaft the other week. £35 + vat for a new one. I was gobsmacked.

x

That's exactly why I'm going for one.

If I blow and engine it'll be a case of rummaging down the sofa for loose change to replace it.

[LouisQ]

The TU5 J4/JP4 is an outstanding engine. Full of life, extremely strong and the most breathing responsive i have ever come across.

£500 can see you over 20% increase in power!

They pop flames like a good 'n aswell :bigthumb:

[Mark83]

Trailer it, no insurance needed

I considered this but by the time you've bought a trailer, tow bar and taken your test, that's close to £2000.

You could of course by a second hand car with a tow bar and borrow/rent a trailer but you've still to pass the test and possibly have lessons. I looked into it and IIRC it was circa £500 for a day of lessons and the test.

[Sacrificial Pawn]

It's a little annoying the new laws that all taxed cars must be insured or I'd just tax for 6 months, SORN through the winter and pay for a days insurance when I needed it.

[Newannaive]

Trailer it, no insurance needed

I considered this but by the time you've bought a trailer, tow bar and taken your test, that's close to £2000.

You could of course by a second hand car with a tow bar and borrow/rent a trailer but you've still to pass the test and possibly have lessons. I looked into it and IIRC it was circa £500 for a day of lessons and the test.

I have a car with towbar, and have a towing license thingy so I'm slightly biased..

[Mark83]

It's a little annoying the new laws that all taxed cars must be insured or I'd just tax for 6 months, SORN through the winter and pay for a days insurance when I needed it.

:scratch: This is what I'm doing.

My DC2 is SORN on private property so the new law is not applicable. Come April, I'll tax and insure it for 6 months and be legal.

[LouisQ]

For a track car you are building yourself it really needs to be insured otherwise you'll end up breaking the law through temptation...

Everytime you fit a part, everytime someone says "i bet thats fun", everytime you've been driving a slow car all day....

[Sacrificial Pawn]

It's a little annoying the new laws that all taxed cars must be insured or I'd just tax for 6 months, SORN through the winter and pay for a days insurance when I needed it.

:scratch: This is what I'm doing.

My DC2 is SORN on private property so the new law is not applicable. Come April, I'll tax and insure it for 6 months and be legal.

It's mainly I couldn't just insure it to drive to the track under the new law.

How do you go about insurance? Insure for a year then cancel or have you found a company that does 6 months?

For a track car you are building yourself it really needs to be insured otherwise you'll end up breaking the law through temptation...

This is very true. :salute:

[Mark83]

My broker allows cars to be added and removed from my policy. I think the DC2 was £40 per month to add as a second car so an additional £240 for 6 months of cover.