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[EvoStu]

OK its Autoexpress but hey it could happen.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoe ... ype_r.html





From hybrid to high-performance! Honda’s new petrol-electric coupe, the CR-Z, is being readied for Type R treatment, and Auto Express can bring you the first exclusive images of how the hot new model is shaping up.

Revealed in production trim at this January’s Detroit Motor Show, the CR-Z has already caused quite a stir by marrying a sporty three-door body with a fuel efficient hybrid powertrain – creating the world’s first truly desirable sports hybrid in the process. But the Japanese firm is going one step further with this stunning Type R version, which boasts a raft of head-turning design cues, and a more powerful hybrid powertrain under the skin.

A tarmac-hugging bodykit will create a clear definition between the standard car and this high-performance variant, and includes daytime running lights in the front apron and a black rear diffuser with integrated exhaust pipes. But it’s the colour scheme that will be most recogniseable to Type R fans.

A black bonnet, wing mirrors and wheels set against an alpine-white paint scheme will make the CR-Z stand out in a crowd. Blacked-out A-pillars are a new styling cue - giving the impression of a glass area that wraps around the car.

The standard CR-Z uses a 102bhp 1.5-litre engine coupled to a 20bhp electric motor for a total output of just 122bhp - but the Type-R is set to offer much more than that! Mugen, Honda’s official tuning arm, is reportedly being lined-up to work its magic on the CR-Z and boost its performance credentials. There had been rumours that a reworked version of the Civic Type R’s 2.0-litre four-cylinder engine could make it into the CR-Z Type-R, but because the coupe has been designed as a hybrid from the outset, a petrol-electric powertrain is a must.

The front-wheel drive layout and six-speed manual gearbox will remain, but expect the naturally-aspirated 1.5-litre engine to be cranked up to around 150bhp and mated to a larger 50bhp electric motor. The combined output of 200bhp will move the Type-R into serious performance territory with a 0-60mph time of close to six seconds, three seconds faster than the 122bhp CR-Z, and a top speed of 140mph.

The standard car’s three driving modes will also be extended to four, to include an additional Sport Plus setting. Select it and the throttle response, steering, timing of the stop-start system and the level of assitance from the electric motor will be set for maximum performance. Upgraded brakes and stiffened suspension will complete the package.

Our sources have revealed that the CR-Z Type R is already being prepared for a debut at next year’s Tokyo Motor Show before going on sale in Japan in late 2011. UK sales are set to commence a few months after that with prices starting from around £20,000.

If it happened.......would I buy one? Damned right I would as long as they get the package right. It would need an LSD for sure as the car uses the same torsion beam layout as the standard car.

EvoStu.

[DANCTRs-o-t]

Photoshopped on Paint this time it looks like!

[bluntcap]

Intresting too see what it "actually" looks like.

[smartie]

Please please please please please let the engineers do it.

[sjw]

OK its Autoexpress but hey it could happen.

Is the kid who normally draws their weekly speculative RX-9 out of office this week then?

It would be excellent if Honda do it, but most of the time AutoExpress just seem to make this stuff up.

[EvoStu]

OK its Autoexpress but hey it could happen.

Is the kid who normally draws their weekly speculative RX-9 out of office this week then?

It would be excellent if Honda do it, but most of the time AutoExpress just seem to make this stuff up.

There is a budget set aside for a performance version though. We know that for a fact.

EvoStu.

[sjw]

Hopefully something interesting will come out of it then (and it had better not be a 40k Mugen version!).

[Mart]

Mugen, Honda’s official tuning arm, is reportedly being lined-up to work its magic on the CR-Z and boost its performance credentials

There's goes any chance of it being affordable, even if it happened

[Ali]

Looks even more pants than the stock one. The concept was approximately 385.92 times better looking.

[EvoStu]

Looks even more pants than the stock one. The concept was approximately 385.92 times better looking.

If anything, you're consistent.

EvoStu.

[mc36155]

personally id prefer it if they admitted that people with performance in mind would rather have a good old fashion petrol engine with no hybrid assistance (what happened to the AVTEC engine they were developing). how heavy will this be with an engine plus a hybrid lecky in to. also havnt they learnt that we dont want the torsion beam stuff, this seems a little bit like devolution with the DC2 still being the best type r. i wish they would just try and make somthing as legendary as the DC2 keep it light and sharp and if people dont like the lack of creature comforts they can buy a Golf. looks nice though!

[FreQ]

Sorry I made the other thread, I've never checked the news section before!

I quite like the look of this (the front is nicer than the EP3). If Honda focus on delivering performance then it could be good, at least 200bhp but preferably around 230. The big benefit could be you get performance + economy when you are just pootling around, as the car runs more on electricity and charges under braking. But as mc points out, this is a performance car. It's all well it going in a straight line quickly and doing 50mpg, but if it's rubbish under braking and round corners then it'll fail. It needs to be light weight: for economy, braking, accelerating, turning, everything, it all gets better if it's light.

Agreed on the concept. They almost always look better.

[kingofdbrits]

personally id prefer it if they admitted that people with performance in mind would rather have a good old fashion petrol engine with no hybrid assistance (what happened to the AVTEC engine they were developing). how heavy will this be with an engine plus a hybrid lecky in to. also havnt they learnt that we dont want the torsion beam stuff, this seems a little bit like devolution with the DC2 still being the best type r. i wish they would just try and make somthing as legendary as the DC2 keep it light and sharp and if people dont like the lack of creature comforts they can buy a Golf. looks nice though!

Almost agree with all of that.

Just don't forget that the two fastest FWD cars (by some distance) both have torsion beam rear suspension.

[mc36155]

personally id prefer it if they admitted that people with performance in mind would rather have a good old fashion petrol engine with no hybrid assistance (what happened to the AVTEC engine they were developing). how heavy will this be with an engine plus a hybrid lecky in to. also havnt they learnt that we dont want the torsion beam stuff, this seems a little bit like devolution with the DC2 still being the best type r. i wish they would just try and make somthing as legendary as the DC2 keep it light and sharp and if people dont like the lack of creature comforts they can buy a Golf. looks nice though!

Almost agree with all of that.

Just don't forget that the two fastest FWD cars (by some distance) both have torsion beam rear suspension.

Yep that is very true, but they would likley be quicker with wishbones, but still blooming quick granted

[EvoStu]

personally id prefer it if they admitted that people with performance in mind would rather have a good old fashion petrol engine with no hybrid assistance (what happened to the AVTEC engine they were developing). how heavy will this be with an engine plus a hybrid lecky in to. also havnt they learnt that we dont want the torsion beam stuff, this seems a little bit like devolution with the DC2 still being the best type r. i wish they would just try and make somthing as legendary as the DC2 keep it light and sharp and if people dont like the lack of creature comforts they can buy a Golf. looks nice though!

Almost agree with all of that.

Just don't forget that the two fastest FWD cars (by some distance) both have torsion beam rear suspension.

Yep that is very true, but they would likley be quicker with wishbones, but still blooming quick granted

I can't help but laugh at your comment. They're genius.

Who makes the current fastest hot hatch? (and no its not the Ford Focus RS) Care to tell me? Care to also tell me what type of rear suspension this company has used for the past 7 years on its fastest hot hatches (which are regarded as some of the best handling front wheel drive cars ever)?

I can guarantee that you personally can't tell the difference between a fully independent setup and a torsion. Because simply put, you aren't that good a driver. Your opinion is achieved like a lot of people ans thats through reading opinions from people like Clarkson.

Do you actually realise how compromised the suspension on the previous Civic was? It just didn't work that well. Torsion beam only has an issue because the rear is un-adjustable like a fully independent setup via the throttle but this is easily rectified like in the CW edition.

[mc36155]

So i take it that you are saying that there would be no performance advantage by implementing a fully independent setup? interesting. i do belive that the reason mugen didn't do just that with the mugen civic is that it would be changing the nature of the civic FN2 similar to changing it to 4wd (just wouldnt be the same car) however they admitted that it would be faster. you seem to rather to readily wade into a discussion by making personal judgements rather than intelligently discussing the subject. not what i would expect from someone of your apparent maturity, and particually when you own the site wo betide anyone who has a differing opinion. these actions I find laughable. but then that is a bit personal.

[motty]

if you fancy a chat about suspension setups i recommend you pm BrunoCTR, he knows alot about suspension, and also posted some pictures up of the ep3 and fn2 suspension and explained why the fn2 setup was better in every way, was a good read.

[EvoStu]

So i take it that you are saying that there would be no performance advantage by implementing a fully independent setup? interesting. i do belive that the reason mugen didn't do just that with the mugen civic is that it would be changing the nature of the civic FN2 similar to changing it to 4wd (just wouldnt be the same car) however they admitted that it would be faster. you seem to rather to readily wade into a discussion by making personal judgements rather than intelligently discussing the subject. not what i would expect from someone of your apparent maturity, and particually when you own the site wo betide anyone who has a differing opinion. these actions I find laughable. but then that is a bit personal.

I'm not saying anything about a differing opinion however your comments are based solely on assumptions.
The torsion beam is compromised as much as the previous Civics independent suspension was.
One thing you need to know is that Mugen contemplated replacing the FN2's suspension with a fully independent setup and also considered cutting the beam in half to give it some adjust-ability.

People always point the finger at the torsion beam but most (not saying you) have no idea what it is and neither the pro's or con's.

[Ali]

Can't we have a new Prelude, packed with performance enhancing tech and that goes like sting, instead of a reheated hippy hybrid....thing.

[EvoStu]

Can't we have a new Prelude, packed with performance enhancing tech and that goes like sting, instead of a reheated hippy hybrid....thing.

What? You mean in a tantric sex kind of way?