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[Nik-Borton]

They must have bloody good extraction in Swindon! Sorry, a bit of the work-geek in me - we make ICP mass spectrometers at my place, which require lots of piping and big pumps and filters to get rid of the waste argon and other gases from instruments in test.

[George Agdgdgwngo]

you just know that the kevs on 6 pound an hour love ragging your pride and joy round the track!

[noll123]

watched many a ctr go up the test track at swindon, never cold at least 5 mins running. also the number of doors, bonnets, etc that get dumped in skips from the paint repair shop nearly makes me
really suprised how many cars need there paint sorting

[noll123]

you just know that the kevs on 6 pound an hour love ragging your pride and joy round the track!

not a track just a wheel spinning drag up then down

[craigiusmaximus]

i didnt think VTEC worked when the engine was cold?

What I was guna say!

I smell something!

what burning oil

[KCHESTER]

Right at the end of the production line the cars have a small amount of petrol put in to them. They are started and driven onto a set of rollers like the ones you see when you have your MOT. The headlamps are checked/adjusted at this stage, then the car is revved (not to the red line) and the brakes tested.

The test track is approx 1.6km and used to be the runway for Supermarine Spitfire manufacturing. It consists of some variable textured tarmac a couple of s bends and a big roundabout at the bottom. The cars are warm prior to the test and are not usually cained on the first run, however on the return they are given a good work out through the gears and to the red line.

Someone mentioned the fume extraction on the production line, if i remember correctly they fit an exhaust filter to the pipe which filters particulates etc. if they are to be run for an extended (repair of FQA - Final Quality Analysis) period they have flexible extraction hoses to remove the fumes.

The units will be bench started/tested for approx 90 seconds (Takt) this cannot be construed as running in.

Jamziee, is your friend the engine plant of Assembly Frame manager?

I think it is worth considering that although the engine will free off and turnover more easily once run in, the process of running in is aimed at mating components and ensuring that the honing and grinding remains, this ensures that the oil can adhere to the metal ensuring a layer of oil separates the components. This ensures minimum friction/wear and maximised engine compression. It is not easy to damage the engine but if you run it hard constantly when new it may develop high spots where the metal components become smooth and can't retain the layer of oil essential to reduce friction and prevent seizure.

Speaking to my ex-colleagues at HUM there has been several instances of piston ring failure due to thrashing cold/new engines. You may get away with it you may not! Personally I don’t think it is worth the risk, treat it with respect when new and it will provide you with maximum performance consistently for a long time. It may also use less oil.

[andyd]

Can you redline it from cold?

Presumably yes but the VTEC won't cut-in.

yea thats correct

Andy

[GrahamK]

Personally I don’t think it is worth the risk, treat it with respect when new and it will provide you with maximum performance consistently for a long time. It may also use less oil.

It may be just concidence but I ran mine in very gently. Didn't take it above 3500 rpm for the first 1000 miles and then built up the revs gradually (took it to 4000 for a while then 5000 then 6000 etc. etc.) and mine hasn't used a drop of oil in 18 months and 8000 miles. May be to do with running it in, may not, just my observation.

[rextar11]

Just a quicky,we are now up to 15 MILLION VTEC`S WITHOUT A SINGLE FAILURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND I PICK MY BRANDNEW BABY ON THE 2nd OF JAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAPPY NEWYEAR YOU VTEC FREAKS!!!!

[EvoStu]

Just a quicky,we are now up to 15 MILLION VTEC`S WITHOUT A SINGLE FAILURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND I PICK MY BRANDNEW BABY ON THE 2nd OF JAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAPPY NEWYEAR YOU VTEC FREAKS!!!!

I would just like to point out that Honda engines do fail. The VTEC failure statement from Honda is very ambiguous.

EvoStu.

[st33ly]

As above! I use that line when trying to sell these cars!!

[EvoStu]

As above! I use that line when trying to sell these cars!!

Then you'd be lying then wouldn't you?

Honda have had engine failures but not a failure of the VTEC system (thats the difference!).

EvoStu.

[jasonevans]

Dodgy get out clause if you ask me,, it's like the polical parties and the way they put a spin on figures.

Honda HAVE had engine blow up's,, but it's like you rightly said,, none of them was due to the VTEC failing.... DODGY !!

[EvoStu]

Dodgy get out clause if you ask me,, it's like the polical parties and the way they put a spin on figures.

Honda HAVE had engine blow up's,, but it's like you rightly said,, none of them was due to the VTEC failing.... DODGY !!

They aren't telling any untruths though thats the important part. It's just the publics misrepresentation of the statement that has caused the issue.

Honda have done nothing wrong.

Yes they have had engines fail but certainly less than probably every manufacturer in the world.

EvoStu.

[CT]

I had a botton end failure just under 5K miles, so Honda do have their failures. It is a bit of a cop out the claim they make. I think they're actually claiming no failure of the VTEC system itself.

[Sparky]

The engines are not pre ran in, either in Japan or the UK.

Modern engines don’t actually require running in (in the traditional sense). They are built to such a high spec, you don’t get metal scrapings etc floating around the oil channels any more. The main reason you must run your engine and drive train in is to prevent initial metal stress.

[Sweepuk]

My bike (a Honda) had aluminium "bits" in the oil strainer (a gauze type re-useable filter in the oil feed pipe to the pump) when I did the first oil change at 50 miles. My bike has a modern engine, first made in 2000 and it is an 2004 bike.

I can't see Honda making bike engines using old fashioned techniques and car engines using modern techniques. After all Honda are as good if not better at making bikes as they are cars and have a fantastic reliability record with bike engines.

Don't want to make the topic run and run but you can see that engines do have swarf / bits in them.

[EvoStu]

The engines are not pre ran in, either in Japan or the UK.

The engines are indeed bench tested in Japan fella after being built.

EvoStu.

[st33ly]

As above^^^ They are!

With regards to my sales comment evo stu am not lying @ all! As you said. It's missinterpretation!

[Sparky]

The engines are indeed bench tested in Japan fella after being built.

EvoStu.

Bench test and ran in are totally different though