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[evilowl]

Warranty will be gone on anything governed by the ecu, which is pretty much everything. All your electronics, the engine and so on.

[tedisbill]

That's depressing. Not sure I want to lose my warranty so soon.

[evilowl]

I'm really tempted to get one of these but, I had a thought when I was driving home tonight.

The cam change is lowered to 3800rpm. I noticed on the motorway when cruising at 80ish, that the revs are above 3800rpm. Will it hurt the engine spending so much time on the high cams, or does it not change on part throttle?

Part throttle VTEC actuation will remain at the same as your existing factory default, it's only activates at the lower rpm when you're at full throttle so you retain fuel economy

In fact 95% of people with KPro on the EP3 have found that it actually helps fuel consumption as it doesn't run as rich during normal driving - this is because the manufacturers have to produce a generic map that is suitable for many different grades and qualities of fuel so a larger margin is built in to compensate. Providing you run the car on decent fuel you should have no problems. I have run my car with KPro for 3.5 years with no issues at all.

[miniturbo]

Warranty will be gone on anything governed by the ecu, which is pretty much everything. All your electronics, the engine and so on.

The fact that its a whole ecu if anything goes wrong with the car could you not just replace the old ecu?? would it show up on some sort of plug in test that it has been taken out then put back in??

i want one but i also want my warranty

[TAS1980]

Why do you think that Honda fit sealed boxes as standard?

If a cheapo open cone induction kit was the answer to extra power why do you think we all spend £400 or more on a good sealed box that draws air from outside of the car?

Evilowl,

Please can you point me in the right direction, re: decent sealed air boxes?

I have noticed that since fitting my induction kit, the car does feel slightly slower. If I put the old filter back on, would it matter that its be sitting in my bedroom?

Cheers,

[evilowl]

The fact that its a whole ecu if anything goes wrong with the car could you not just replace the old ecu?? would it show up on some sort of plug in test that it has been taken out then put back in??

i want one but i also want my warranty

Providing the keys don't have to be coded to the ECU you can swap back to your original ECU at any time. Any diagnostics would only recognise the data between the last reset of the ECU (eg when you last disconnected the battery ) and the time the dealer plugged their diagnostic equipment in.

Considering it only takes 5 minutes to swap an ECU over it's a bit of a no brainer. Make sure you inform your insurance company though

[evilowl]

Why do you think that Honda fit sealed boxes as standard?

If a cheapo open cone induction kit was the answer to extra power why do you think we all spend £400 or more on a good sealed box that draws air from outside of the car?

Evilowl,

Please can you point me in the right direction, re: decent sealed air boxes?

I have noticed that since fitting my induction kit, the car does feel slightly slower. If I put the old filter back on, would it matter that its be sitting in my bedroom?

Cheers,

I'm not aware of any in production yet. I know CPL are working on fabricating one but remember it took a couple of years for parts like sealed air boxes to come through for the EP3 so I expect it will be the same for the FN2. My recommendation is to stick with the OEM setup

There is an alternative like this one:

http://www.civictype-r.co.uk/forum/view ... 8&t=147310

...however I'd be afraid of water being sucked into the engine as the filter is located in the wheel arch. One big puddle and it's new engine time

[parsey83]

Thought i would just do quick write up after using the upgraded ECU for few days

I have covered almost 1000 miles and that has been a good mix of country roads, A roads, dual carriageway and Motorway along with some bumper to bumper style driving or crawling

I have to say im very very happy with the upgrade in all of the above conditions, im now averaging around 33mpg with a mixture of driving styles where before i was getting around 31mpg, i would put this down to the rise in mid range power so you dont have to work the engine as much, i have not found the lower VTEC point a problem at all, it only really comes on when your pushing hard and is beneficial to have it come on at those revs if you want to make progress. The car will now hit an indicated 63mph just before the limiter in 2nd gear which as evilowl has said above is bound to knock a bit of your 0-60,0-62 times if your interested in that.

As for Motorway the car pulls so much nicer in sixth and you can still do a strong overtake without engaging vtec if your that way inclined (i personally didnt buy the car with fuel economy as my top priority) I actually had a friend who has a MkV GTI Golf sit beside me at 50mph, both in 6th and both pushed hard and there really wasnt much in it whereas before he would have been a good two car lengths ahead before the type r would start to liven up

As far a B roads go you can sit in 5th gear and I think this is where you notice the mid range difference the most in everday driving, 5th now feels like 4th if not 3rd some times and it makes all the difference but drop it to third or fourth and she just lifts, pulling all the way to the red line in a way that any forced induction car ive ever driven (and ive driven a few) just cant do. My only gripe is that the car should and could have so easily been like this from the factory!

Dig deep people this is well worth the money, it will simply transform your car and make it a more rewarding experience. Watch your speed though as I have had to kick myself once or twice - approaching 90mph from 50mph in 6th gear is too easy now

[tedisbill]

I really wish you would not have posted that! I now have no choice but to get one

[sajon44]

yeah think i will be getting one for my own christmas pressy,was a bit sceptical,but sounds as if i does make a good difference.

[madasscivic]

It does sound so very temptimg

[miniturbo]

The fact that its a whole ecu if anything goes wrong with the car could you not just replace the old ecu?? would it show up on some sort of plug in test that it has been taken out then put back in??

i want one but i also want my warranty

Providing the keys don't have to be coded to the ECU you can swap back to your original ECU at any time. Any diagnostics would only recognise the data between the last reset of the ECU (eg when you last disconnected the battery ) and the time the dealer plugged their diagnostic equipment in.

Considering it only takes 5 minutes to swap an ECU over it's a bit of a no brainer. Make sure you inform your insurance company though

Right im thinking of calling for one of these on saturday, one or two last questions though.

When you say the recoding of the keys do you mean for the imobiliser? The remote central locking etc still work of course? It is just a case of plugging in and all you loose is the imobliser, plug and drive. Nothing else goes other than the imobiliser?

and you mean if anything did go wrong and u swaped back to original, ud just have to tell the dealer that u had disconnected the battery and they would be none the wiser???

Thanks again

[TAS1980]

Why do you think that Honda fit sealed boxes as standard?

If a cheapo open cone induction kit was the answer to extra power why do you think we all spend £400 or more on a good sealed box that draws air from outside of the car?

Evilowl,

Please can you point me in the right direction, re: decent sealed air boxes?

I have noticed that since fitting my induction kit, the car does feel slightly slower. If I put the old filter back on, would it matter that its be sitting in my bedroom?

Cheers,

I'm not aware of any in production yet. I know CPL are working on fabricating one but remember it took a couple of years for parts like sealed air boxes to come through for the EP3 so I expect it will be the same for the FN2. My recommendation is to stick with the OEM setup

There is an alternative like this one:

http://www.civictype-r.co.uk/forum/view ... 8&t=147310

...however I'd be afraid of water being sucked into the engine as the filter is located in the wheel arch. One big puddle and it's new engine time

Cool - that filter does look to be fitted in a rather worrying place. - Best wait then really

Would replacing the panel filter do anything? or is it pointless?

[sajon44]

Right im thinking of calling for one of these on saturday, one or two last questions though.

When you say the recoding of the keys do you mean for the imobiliser? The remote central locking etc still work of course? It is just a case of plugging in and all you loose is the imobliser, plug and drive. Nothing else goes other than the imobiliser?

and you mean if anything did go wrong and u swaped back to original, ud just have to tell the dealer that u had disconnected the battery and they would be none the wiser???

Thanks again

yeah if the answer to theese two q's are yes then i defo on the cards for one.
has anyone informed there insurance?if so how much did it add to your premium.

[evilowl]

Right im thinking of calling for one of these on saturday, one or two last questions though.

When you say the recoding of the keys do you mean for the imobiliser? The remote central locking etc still work of course? It is just a case of plugging in and all you loose is the imobliser, plug and drive. Nothing else goes other than the imobiliser?

and you mean if anything did go wrong and u swaped back to original, ud just have to tell the dealer that u had disconnected the battery and they would be none the wiser???

Thanks again

Phone CPL to clarify these points. As far as I know your keys don't need coding to the Hondata ECU as you lose the immobiliser anyway, and that's what you recode the keys for on EP3's

[evilowl]

Would replacing the panel filter do anything? or is it pointless?

Pointless

has anyone informed there insurance?if so how much did it add to your premium.

You HAVE to inform your insurer. Why even both paying for a policy otherwise, you may as well just drive around uninsured in the first place

How much will it add to YOUR premium? only YOUR insurer can tell you that as it's based on risk assessment. If you're 17 and live in a high risk postcode, have 11 points on your license for speeding offences and 4 accidents to your name your premium will obviously increase by more that mine would with 10 years protected NCB, no points and live in a nice area

When they ask what you have modified you may want to say something like "induction, exhaust, ecu remap" and say a less than 10% overall peak power gain. That will obviously give you leeway to install these other parts in the future even if you don't do it straight away. Most insurance companies will charge you £30 or more to amend the policy if you change your mind at a later date. Don't say more than 10% gain because even if you do add induction kit and exhaust both of those mods will likely net you less that 10bhp together, and coupled with the ecu will give you approx 15bhp at peak power. 15bhp is <10% on a car with 200bhp to start with.

[geoff8386]

I'm very interested in getting this.. however I have a few questions

1. Honda Warrenty gone when fitted - how do they know - surely if something goes wrong or a service then replace the old ecu? - is this correct?

2. How much is the new ecu? on cpl racing have to call for a price.

3. where does the vtec excatly start from now (and end)

4. when I phone up my insurance - what excatly do I say "do I say a new ecu has been fitted" will they ask anymore questions

5. could there be possible upgrades in the future for this ecu

6 this is the only mod I would probably do as its not permanet i.e. you can replace it with the old version, if I was going to sell the car 2nd hand I would put the old ecu in take it for a spin to get used to old ecu and sell cpl ecu on ebay?

7. I've replaced the bulbs in the car - as I've done that could I replace the ecu myself!!

8. once fitted everything else works 1000% i heard before the imobillser didn't work

thanks in advance for your help.

Geoff

[tedisbill]

I'm very interested in getting this.. however I have a few questions

1. Honda Warrenty gone when fitted - how do they know - surely if something goes wrong or a service then replace the old ecu? - is this correct?

2. How much is the new ecu? on cpl racing have to call for a price.

3. where does the vtec excatly start from now (and end)

4. when I phone up my insurance - what excatly do I say "do I say a new ecu has been fitted" will they ask anymore questions

5. could there be possible upgrades in the future for this ecu

6 this is the only mod I would probably do as its not permanet i.e. you can replace it with the old version, if I was going to sell the car 2nd hand I would put the old ecu in take it for a spin to get used to old ecu and sell cpl ecu on ebay?

7. I've replaced the bulbs in the car - as I've done that could I replace the ecu myself!!

8. once fitted everything else works 1000% i heard before the imobillser didn't work

thanks in advance for your help.

Geoff

Have you read the first 5 pages of this thread?

[geoff8386]

yes i have - but feel the questions are not asked fully.

sorry!

[evilowl]

1. Honda Warrenty gone when fitted - how do they know - surely if something goes wrong or a service then replace the old ecu? - is this correct?

So if you break down at the side of a motorway and the AA take your car back to your dealer and the ecu is sitting in your garage at home. That would be a bit of a giveaway. So would the fitment of a third party immobiliser.

2. How much is the new ecu? on cpl racing have to call for a price.

Answered earlier in this thread

3. where does the vtec excatly start from now (and end)

Also answered earlier in this thread

4. when I phone up my insurance - what excatly do I say "do I say a new ecu has been fitted" will they ask anymore questions

I suppose it makes more sense to tell them that you've fitted a new ECU compared to telling them what you had for breakfast this morning??? Unfortunately neither I, nor probably anyone else on here works for your insurance company so I couldn't possibly hazard a guess what they will ask you....apart from perhaps your credit card number so have it handy when you call.

5. could there be possible upgrades in the future for this ecu

Maybe. Maybe not. How long is a piece of string?

6 this is the only mod I would probably do as its not permanet i.e. you can replace it with the old version, if I was going to sell the car 2nd hand I would put the old ecu in take it for a spin to get used to old ecu and sell cpl ecu on ebay?

Are you asking us or telling us?

7. I've replaced the bulbs in the car - as I've done that could I replace the ecu myself!!

Can you tell the difference between a screwdriver and a spanner? If you can, maybe.

8. once fitted everything else works 1000% i heard before the imobillser didn't work

Again that has already been answered in this thread.