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EvoStu wrote:@ Nys, ROC is setup to find the best performing driver across the event in different vehicles.

Its like anything, some will be good at one thing, others another, but this is interested in overall times.
I am sure it finds out the best driver at all the disciplines, but I'd tentatively suggest that a WRC driver will be far better at this kind of competition than a track racer like GT/F1 etc as WRC is all about timed stages and the occasional head to head, rather than racing against other competitors directly.

FWIW, I think Loeb *is* one of the worlds greatest (ever) drivers, but until we see him in another discipline, it's hard to compare imho :)
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anyone who's interested in the vid

Just Dirk wrote:Wait til Ken Block has a go!
if it involved explosions and drifting around in a circle then i'm sure he'd do great, but since it's actual competitive driving (something Block isn't that good at :wink: ) then i'm sure Loeb is feeling pretty secure in his victory
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Mad-Dog wrote:so, he only went and beat the pikes peak record by 90 seconds..........on his first ever go :shock: :salut:
metal run.

only like 13 seconds off a 7 min run too!
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ROC is a good spectical but it doesnt really show a true indication of the best driver.
They pick 2 drivers from the represented country. Not all countries enter and not all the top drivers enter. Hamilton being the 2008 F1 World champion and they put David Coulthard in??
The race was originally setup for Rally drivers and the events are really more like Rally Super stages/Rally cross than anything else. Tarmac rally drivers are really going to be best at the event. Plus the title says best driver "ever", and we dont have Senna or Fangio in ROC.

Not taking anything away from Loeb who I think is certainly up there. He's in the top 3 for me as a current driver.
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sinbad wrote:ROC is a good spectical but it doesnt really show a true indication of the best driver.
LOLWUT! :roflmao:

Its a multi discipline race using the same kit. How can that not be a true indication?

You don't have Senna and Fangio because I don't know if you noticed......THEY'RE DEAD!

In pure F1 terms Vettel is a better driver than Senna and Fangio. I don't agree with it, but he is based purely on results.
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By yella
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Race of champions is a bit duff now its all stadium based. Used to be good in the early days when it was on a full open stage. I still think F1 drivers are like fighter pilots, they are just able to thing that little bit quicker and thus can do many types of racing. i do remember Sebastian Bourdais whipping Marcus Gronholm in his own WRC car.

As for greatest driver, Loeb is up there, i mean he done well at Le mans too. However of course he will be good on circuit as he was always a tarmac specialist anyway in the WRC I still struggle to see his WRC wins as real wins compared to say back in the 90's. The feild is not as strong as it used to be at least for the second half of his wins.

As for greatest driver, hard to do that as some of the greatest drivers are usually unknowns who do loads of races, like Darren Turner, Dirk Müller, Marc Gene, etc etc. All drivers who race in many series, effectively paid for drivers who can consistantly win in many types of car be it a Prototype, a GT car or a regular Tin top.

The thing is i think in todays climate there are so many amazing drivers out there and a lot of it is simply decided by money. so some of the most natural talents will never get seen, Just look at Sean Edwards, an amazing driver relatively unknown to the public again multidisiplined, worse than Loeb, well if based on fame yes, but his CV is on another level and had a huge LMS future guaranteed. Even series like the VLn at the ring are as famous if not more famous than BTCC in Germany.

Andrew Jordan is another one who will end up going that way too, Rallycross from juinior to senior, clios, touring cars and now he's a champ in another discipline he will be able to continue but will get loads of Sportcar offers etc i bet.

All about the money though.
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EvoStu wrote:
sinbad wrote:ROC is a good spectical but it doesnt really show a true indication of the best driver.
LOLWUT! :roflmao:

Its a multi discipline race using the same kit. How can that not be a true indication?

You don't have Senna and Fangio because I don't know if you noticed......THEY'RE DEAD!

In pure F1 terms Vettel is a better driver than Senna and Fangio. I don't agree with it, but he is based purely on results.
You completely disregarded the rest of what I wrote? :scratch:
How can it be a true indication when it doesn't have the best drivers in it?
Also the stages are more like super stages from WRC so the drivers who are better off-road have an advantage. The way the tracks are setup a nascar/indycar driver are going to struggle
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Calling Loeb the greatest driver is a big statement. He's probably the most underrated top driver out there. Considering he's proved himself in many racing categories.
I'd say he's a better driver than Vettle. But both drivers are in similar situations where they don't have any real competition.

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