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SYNTHETIC MYTHS

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:42 am
by oilman
I read so much stuff on the internet about Synthetic Oils that is simply not true so I felt it was time to tell the truth rather than accept the myth.

So in future when you see someone state any of these, please do me a favour and point them at this thread!

Synthetic motor oils damage seals:
Complete Nonsense! Any oil seals made after 1975 or thereabouts will be entirely compatible with any type of synthetic engine oil. (The same goes for synthetic gear oils and transmission oil seals.) It must be understood that everything associated with lubrication is thoroughly tested. The major oil manufacturers do not make oils that attack seals; seal manufacturers ensure that their products function correctly with modern lubricants.

Synthetic oils are too thin:
It is true that the best synthetic blends can be low viscosity (0w-20 for example), but they do not have to be! It is also true that the latest engines are designed to run on thin oil, which improves power output and fuel consumption. Even so, thicker synthetic based grades (10w-50, 15w-50, 20w-50etc) are available for air-cooled motors, older engines, or severe high temperature conditions. These grades can also benefit rebuilt classic engines dating back to the 1940s.

Synthetics mean higher oil usage:
The complete opposite of the truth. Oil consumption in well-maintained modern engines is mainly down to the oil evaporating at high temperatures. Synthetic base oils (specially the PAO and ester types) are very resistant to evaporation loss even in low viscosity blends, so oil consumption is minimised. Obviously, engines with worn valve guides, defective seals and worn piston rings will use oil regardless, so there is no point in using expensive synthetics as an ‘old banger lube’.

Synthetic oils are not compatible with other oils:
All engine oils intended for normal road use in recent 4-stroke engines are compatible with one another, regardless of the base make-up. (mineral, PAO/ester/hydrocracked synthetic, and semi-synthetic.) There is no need to flush or strip down an engine when changing from one type to another. (…but be careful with the exception: castor oil based racing oils.)

Synthetic oils produce sludge:
Well honestly, this is just totally daft. All synthetic bases are more resistant to oxidation than mineral oil, and sludge is largely due to oxidation. In any case, all motor oils intended for road use meet the higher API specs such as SH, SJ, SL and diesel equivalents. One of the main reasons for introducing the API specs back in the 1950s was to deal with oil sludge problems. All high-spec oils run very clean, especially synthetics.

Synthetic oils cannot be used with catalytic converters: ‘Cats’ will perform more efficiently and last longer if synthetic based engine oil is used. Their lower volatility (see 3 above) means that less oil reaches the combustion chambers via crankcase ventilation, so there are less harmful ash residues from burnt oil to de-activate the catalyst matrix.

Synthetic oils can void warranties:
People who make statements such as this never define the type of synthetic, thus revealing their ignorance. Provided that an oil meets or exceeds the API and viscosity ranges specified in the handbook, the warranty will not be affected. (By law, OEMs cannot insist that a particular brand of oil must be used to maintain warranty.)

Synthetic oils will last forever:
The better synthetic blends will certainly last longer*, especially in high performance or high annual mileage situations, but ‘forever’ is not on, simply because contaminants such as soot, and acid gasses from traces of sulphur in the fuel degrade the oil.
(*Provided that a very shear resistant VI improver polymer is used in the oil formulation to keep the viscosity up to spec. This point is often forgotten.

Synthetic oils are too expensive:
True, for older vehicles that use a lot of oil or are almost ready for the scrap yard. For cars that are worth maintaining, the right types of synthetic oil are a cost-effective way of retaining ‘as new’ performance, low fuel consumption, and reducing maintenance costs. (See 6 above, for example. ‘Cats’ aren’t cheap!)

Cheers
Simon

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:19 pm
by jerry3167
:D Hi Oilman,


VERY WELL WRITTEN AND SAID!! :P

Jerry :D

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:27 pm
by martin
Mmmmm, smell that Castrol R. Oops sorry memory lane. :wink:

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:02 pm
by EvoStu
Not many posts are worthy of a permanent sticky! THIS IS! 8)

EvoStu.

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:51 pm
by jap_master
i only have 2 questions:

1. can you mix any brand oils? but keep to the same grade.
2. can you mix full synthetic with semi synthetic?

thanks for your help

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:47 pm
by oilman
All oils will mix, but to keep the quality up its a good idea to use the same grade/brand if you can, so if you have something like the Silkolene Pro S in the car, you can top up with Magnatec but it will just dliute the good quality Silkolene.

Cheers

Guy.

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:14 pm
by jap_master
thanks for the info

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:20 pm
by spideru
Right now I'm using 5w50 Rally Formula from mobil1. Is this ok?

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:21 pm
by oilman
Bit thick when hot but is ok.

Cheers

Guy.

Re: SYNTHETIC MYTHS

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:27 pm
by sugarpuff
Question to oilman.... seen as you know your stuff about oil what would you recommend to use in a EP3?? maybe could you say a few catering for everyones budget?

Re: SYNTHETIC MYTHS

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:43 pm
by oilman
We recommend a 5w-40 or 0w-40 synthetic for all year round use. The best are the ester based synthetics of Silkolene and Motul.

Cheers

Guy

Re: SYNTHETIC MYTHS

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:55 pm
by sugarpuff
Thanks Guy

Re: SYNTHETIC MYTHS

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:18 pm
by abdul1981
hi,

i need to top up oil on my FN2. Been told Millers Oil is a good choice? Good or bad choice??

abdul

Re: SYNTHETIC MYTHS

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:30 am
by oilman
Millers is fine, go for their ester based one.

Most popular from us are the ester based Silkolene Pro S and the Motul 300v.

Cheers

Guy.

Re: SYNTHETIC MYTHS

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:52 pm
by wheelconnector
So, how about when running an engine in. I have read many times that you should stay away from synthetic during the run-in period. Any truth behind this?

Re: SYNTHETIC MYTHS

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:17 pm
by oilman
A mineral oil doesn't provide as good lubrication so the friction in the engine causes the cylinder and piston to wear together better. A synthetic can stop that happening so well, so the engine doesn't run in as well.

Re: SYNTHETIC MYTHS

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:36 pm
by Superbully
oilman wrote:We recommend a 5w-40 or 0w-40 synthetic for all year round use. The best are the ester based synthetics of Silkolene and Motul.

Cheers

Guy
how can i see if an oil is ester based? will it say so on the back somewhere, or if not what kind of info should i be looking for on the label to confirm ester basedness?

Re: SYNTHETIC MYTHS

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:16 pm
by oilman
Usually if an oil is ester based the manufacturer will try to make a song and dance about it so it will have it written on the can.

Cheers

Guy

Re: SYNTHETIC MYTHS

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:51 am
by greesha
Just bought Fuchs titan pro S 5w-40 for my EP3.

My renault clio 197 cup friend is telling me off now saying that i should have bought Millers CFS competition as this oil was prvoen on many subaru forums as the best one (tested in laboratories, blah, blah).

As you're the Oilman could you tell me if there are any real differences between them or are they both as good?.

Thanks

Greg

Re: SYNTHETIC MYTHS

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:43 am
by oilman
Hi Greg

There is a test, done by Tegiwa, that shows their Civic race car developed more power with the Millers Nanodrive than with the Pro S. In protection terms, I would say they are pretty similar based on both of them being very well proven oils in all different types of cars and uses.

Unfortunately, Subaru forums are often dominated by some people that say things with no basis and can't back up their points when you ask them. We sell enough of both to know that they are as good as oil gets.

Cheers

Tim