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#3459220
As you may have seen over the last few days in media coverage the laws around clamping and removal of vehicles is changing.

This is intended as a guide to the new regulations and is in no way relied upon as legal advice.
It should be noted that advice given by users on this forum not to pay private parking tickets relates to how the law used to be.
The law relating to tickets issued by the Police and Government and Local Authorities remain unchanged.

The AA wrote: Parking on private land
Clamping banned - but beware the ticketers

After a long running AA campaign, wheel clamping on private land will be a criminal offence from 1 October 2012, as set out in the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.
The only exceptions will be where wheel clamping is carried out lawfully, for example at some railway stations, airports, or local authority housing under local by-laws. The DVLA, Police and some other government agencies will continue to clamp in some circumstances too.
Clampers always aimed to maximise profits from each individual clamping because of manpower, time and hardware costs. In contrast, tickets can often be issued remotely using CCTV cameras, or by parking attendants on foot who can issue tickets to a large number of vehicles in a relatively short time.
There has been a surge in the number of parking charge notices (tickets) issued by private parking enforcers and the AA has campaigned for the creation of an independent parking appeal service since AA members began falling victim to poor practices by these companies. This problem is likely to increase with the ban on wheel clamping.
There is clearly a need for landowners and private car park operators to have some control over those who park but enforcement must be fair and reasonable.

From 1 October 2012
  • Wheel clamping banned.
  • Parking control companies can pursue vehicle keeper for any unpaid parking charge notices.
  • An independent appeal service (POPLA) will allow drivers to challenge a parking charge notice.
Contract and trespass
Parking enforcement on private land is unregulated and relies on the laws of contract and trespass. Put simply, you are deemed to have accepted the parking terms and sanctions if there is adequate signage.
The AA, British Parking Association, private parking enforcement companies and other groups all wanted private parking enforcement to be fully regulated by government but this has not happened.

Enforcing parking rules by issuing tickets
Most private parking spaces are made available for use with conditions attached; parking can be time limited or charges can apply through use of pay and display systems for example.
There may also be permit-only parking for residents, employees or visitors who must display a current permit in their vehicles.
Providing the conditions are reasonable and clearly indicated on signage, any breach can be dealt with.

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Check signs carefully

Parking charge notices
From 1 October enforcement action cannot involve use of a wheel clamp or vehicle removal, and most infringements will be dealt with by issuing parking charge notices.
The parking charge notice will either be put on the offending vehicle or, as happens frequently now, the non-compliance will be detected by camera and a parking charge notice will be sent by post to the vehicle keeper registered with DVLA.
Only parking enforcement companies who are members of the British Parking Association’s (BPA) approved operator scheme (AOS) are allowed to obtain vehicle keepers’ details from the DVLA.

Parking on private land - general advice
  • Always look for signs setting out parking rules
  • Read and note the parking rules.
  • Stick to the rules e.g. don't park in bays reserved for disabled badge holders.
  • Just because you don’t see enforcement taking place it doesn't mean it isn't; cameras may be in use.
  • If you have a parking charge notice put on your car don’t ignore it.
  • If you feel a parking charge notice is wrong or has been applied unfairly, gather evidence before you leave; take a careful note of signage and take photos if you can.
  • If your car is wheel clamped in a car park where no by-law is displayed call the police.
  • If heavy-handed ticketers demand money on the spot and threaten you to pay in cash, drive away or consider calling the police.
Two different regimes
It must be noted that there will be two very different parking ticket regimes operating on private land after 1 October 2012.
BPA members will be operating within the AOS code meaning a common standard and, importantly, motorists' right for anindependent appeal.
Non-BPA private enforcers may continue to issue tickets under contract/trespass law.
Parking conditions must be clearly signed and any disputes resolved through the civil court. The appeal service is not available for tickets issued by non BPA members.
Even though BPA member companies have established a right of independent appeal, a disputed case can still be taken to civil court if the independent appeal decision is disputed by either party.

How much can they charge you?
From 1 October the normal maximum sum a BPA (AOS) member will demand for a breach of parking conditions is £100 which must be discounted by up to 40% for prompt payment.
In the unlikely event a BPA member demands more it must be fully justified for example, by setting out the consequential losses caused by the breach of terms and conditions.
Non-BPA members will set their own level of sanction but this must still be set at a fair value representing consequential loss.

Unscrupulous ticketers
From 1 October 2012 there is nothing to stop cowboy clampers turning into unscrupulous and heavy handed issuers of parking 'tickets'.
They may well issue these tickets personally with the same threats and intimidating manner they used when they were wheel clampers.
We strongly advise drivers not to pay cash to anyone issuing a parking charge notice (ticket); any bona fide parking control company will allow payment by post/credit card after the event.
Rogue ticketers will not be able to obtain the ‘vehicle keepers’ address from DVLA in order to pursue the debt, and may therefore resort to threatening behaviour to scare drivers into paying up there and then, possibly demanding extortionate sums.
In extreme cases unscrupulous tickers may be guilty of criminal offences like ‘demanding money’ and the police should be called.

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Parking charge notice

Parking charge notice on your car?
  1. Check for signs setting out parking rules to ensure the ticket is justified.
  2. If you don't think the ticket was justified, gather evidence such as photos or details of witnesses in preparation for a challenge
  3. If you agree with the ‘ticket’, irrespective of who issued it, and accept the circumstances under which it was issued then you should pay it as soon as possible.
  4. Don't pay cash to anyone issuing a parking charge notice (ticket) - any bona fide parking control company will allow payment by post/credit card after the event.
  5. If you don't think the ticket was justified and it was issued by a BPA member, follow the procedure to challenge it as set out on the ticket, or write to the firm which issued it. Do this quickly and provide the reasons why you are challenging. It's best to use recorded post.
  6. If you don't think the ticket was justified and it wasn't issued by a BPA member, then gather your evidence and wait for them to take you to court.
Parking charge notice in the post?
  1. If you agree with the ‘ticket’ and accept the circumstances under which it was issued then you should pay it as soon as possible.
  2. If you are the registered keeper but were not the driver at the time, you can provide the driver's name and address to the parking enforcement company and they will then try to get the driver to pay.
  3. If you don’t agree with the ticket, follow the procedure to challenge it as set out on the ticket, or write to the firm which issued it – do this quickly and provide the reasons why you are challenging. It's best to use recorded post.
  4. If the parking enforcement company doesn't reply promptly to your challenge keep all paperwork – check that they received your challenge then wait to hear from them.
  5. If you were not the driver at the time but the driver does not pay, for example, if the parking enforcement company rejects a challenge, or you do not name the driver, then you as the keeper becomes liable for the parking charge notice.
#3459221
BBC News wrote: Private land wheel clamping to be made illegal
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From Monday 1 October wheel clamping on most private land in England and Wales will be illegal.
Drivers who park on private property without permission will not have their vehicles clamped but they could still be issued with parking tickets and be forced to pay fines.
Tim Muffett reports.
#3459222
BBC News wrote: Wheel-clamping on private land banned
Wheel-clampers have been outlawed from clamping vehicles on private land under new legislation in England and Wales.

The Protection of Freedoms Act makes it an offence to clamp on private land.

The law does not affect Northern Ireland, and clamping and towing away on private land has been banned in Scotland since 1992.

But landowners are boosted by stronger laws on ticketing, which mean unpaid charges can be claimed from the keeper of the vehicle, as well as the driver.

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The government says the new legislation will save motorists £55m a year in clamping charges

And the government has also agreed on an independent appeals service funded by the British Parking Association (BPA).

This will allow motorists to appeal against a parking charge issued on private land by a company that is a member of the BPA's approved operator scheme.

Lord Taylor of Holbeach, the Home Office minister responsible for changes to vehicle clamping law, said: "This common-sense ban will give motorists the protection they deserve against rogue wheel-clamping and towing companies.

"It will save motorists £55m each year in clamping charges and finally penalise the real criminals - the corrupt firms themselves."

Local Transport Minister Norman Baker said: "These new parking arrangements deliver a fairer legal framework for motorists and landowners, while getting rid of the indiscriminate clamping and towing by private companies for good."

But the AA and the BPA have both said the new measures do not go far enough, expressing concern over a lack of protection from rogue parking operators.

New wheel clamping laws
  • Motorists whose vehicles are illegally clamped on private land can now call the police.
  • The government says about 500,000 clampings took place annually on private land, with an average release fee of £112 and almost all clamp fees were paid.
  • Ban also applies to towing away and blocking in.
  • Anyone who clamps a vehicle or tows it away on private land without specific lawful authority to do so may face criminal proceedings.
  • Lawful authority to clamp or tow vehicles will remain for various organisations and public bodies - eg DVLA will retain legal authority to clamp or tow away vehicles that evade vehicle excise duty.
A BPA spokesman also said there may be continuing issues for motorists because of little known by-laws giving landowners the right to manage their parking in any way they choose. These include some car parks at railway stations, airports and port authorities.

And the AA has concerns that rogue operators may begin issuing bogus parking tickets on private land.

BPA chief executive Patrick Troy said: "The Protection of Freedoms Act ushers in perhaps the most significant shake-up of the private parking industry ever seen in this country and there is much that we and the government can be proud of.

"However, the regulations do not yet go far enough. An independent appeals service which is not binding on all operators is likely to be a recipe for confusion among motorists and a ban on clamping is no substitute for proper regulation of the industry.

"That being said, the new appeals service, such as it is, will provide a long-overdue layer of protection for motorists who want to know that they no longer have to look to the courts for recourse when they feel that a parking enforcement notice has been unfairly issued."
Last edited by Sedge on Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:22 am, edited 1 time in total. Reason: Second BBC News article added. Useful links moved.
#3461326
That's the money shot, tell them some fake address and tell them to bill you :lol:

I'm really glad about this as dodgy clampers have been a majo problem in Blackpool recently :bad-words:
Rogue ticketers will not be able to obtain the ‘vehicle keepers’ address from DVLA in order to pursue the debt, and may therefore resort to threatening behaviour to scare drivers into paying up there and then, possibly demanding extortionate sums.
In extreme cases unscrupulous tickers may be guilty of criminal offences like ‘demanding money’ and the police should be called.
#3461467
karl wrote:would have been useful when clamping came into force, not when it is being abolished, and the risk is removed
It's useful now as it lets people know that they don't have to give the fake parking police any money at all and to know not to let themselves be bullied into giving them any[smilie=karls_thumb.gif]
#3465619
Cockpiss Analfist wrote:I got clamped in north yorkshire. Told the lady garden to take the clamp off or I would get angry.

he rang his mates/inbredpikeyfamily and i had to cough up or face the prospect of abare knuckle pikey brodown.


Flipping prats lady garden bastards flip clit balldocks flip.
If it happens again bro just point them in the direction of Sledges sticky on here..
#3465625
Muz wrote:
Cockpiss Analfist wrote:I got clamped in north yorkshire. Told the lady garden to take the clamp off or I would get angry.

he rang his mates/inbredpikeyfamily and i had to cough up or face the prospect of abare knuckle pikey brodown.


Flipping prats lady garden bastards flip clit balldocks flip.
If it happens again bro just point them in the direction of Sledges sticky on here..
Sounds like the end result of a fapping session
#3465767
s77ltd wrote:can you be ticketed if theres no signs warningof it?

when i go to the gym in the evenings its often busy so i park in the chip shopnext door, they have signs warning of clamping but nothing about tickets...

anyone know?
To be safe I keep a printout of this sticky in my glovebox, you should too bro in case shít evar gets real..
#3477978
I may be in a minority here but I wish the clamping was still legal, especially when people just ignore parking conditions and do as they so please. Yeah they may get a ticket issued "eventually" but it's less of a deterant than clamping. Just another clever idea from the guys in charge :stfu:
#3478143
gavin2006 wrote:I may be in a minority here but I wish the clamping was still legal, especially when people just ignore parking conditions and do as they so please. Yeah they may get a ticket issued "eventually" but it's less of a deterant than clamping. Just another clever idea from the guys in charge :stfu:
But then we'd lose this awesome sticky!? :)
#3478258
gavin2006 wrote:I may be in a minority here but I wish the clamping was still legal, especially when people just ignore parking conditions and do as they so please. Yeah they may get a ticket issued "eventually" but it's less of a deterant than clamping. Just another clever idea from the guys in charge :stfu:

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