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[Sp1]

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Where did u get the pics, or were u lucky enough to take em ur self??

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I've just noticed your post count. Big moment

[Jocelyn Hills]

The pics came from a reliable source. :wink:

Fast Motoring?

http://www.fastmotoring.com/index.php/t ... crz-spoon/

[EvoStu]

The pics came from a reliable source.

Fast Motoring?

http://www.fastmotoring.com/index.php/t ... crz-spoon/

Nope. But a good site that. They came from a bod who works for Honda. :thumbup:

[EvoStu]

Here are the Spoon parts already listed.
http://www.spoon.jp/products.php?md=crz

Obviously not listing the parts yet but the site is ready to go.

:thumbup:

[smartie]

Why would they make parts already for what is clearly not a performance car though. :scratch: Do the Japanese tune any old shite? Although the British do so silly question I guess.....

Is there an ETA for details on the CRZ performance model?

[EvoStu]

Why would they make parts already for what is clearly not a performance car though. :scratch: Do the Japanese tune any old shite? Although the British do so silly question I guess.....

Is there an ETA for details on the CRZ performance model?

I guess because they can mate plus it makes sure that they already have development work carried out on the lower end models first.

No ETA on a performance model yet.

[sjw]

Or there is nothing else to play with.

If life gives you lemons, make lemonade - Spoon are a Honda tuner, it isn't as if they've got much else to do.

[Ali]

And? How often do new cars come out? They've already covered almost every car in the Honda range already.
When you consider this has been out for less than a month its pretty impressive to see these companies already producing aftermarket kit for it.

Not really Stu, they did the same for the Insight and that's hardly a ball of fire either. Japanese tuners will produce parts for pretty much any model that's released. If Honda want those parts out quickly, they'll allow the tuners access to the preproduction models to prepare them. Hell, they have plenty of bits for the CRV and Jazz/Fit. Just because they dress it up as one, doesn't make it a sports car.

You could counter-argue that the early access they've been granted to make the CRZ look more sporting is because Honda are worried it won't be perceived the way they want to, and felt the need to have those parts out at launch.

[EvoStu]

And? How often do new cars come out? They've already covered almost every car in the Honda range already.
When you consider this has been out for less than a month its pretty impressive to see these companies already producing aftermarket kit for it.

Not really Stu, they did the same for the Insight and that's hardly a ball of fire either. Japanese tuners will produce parts for pretty much any model that's released. If Honda want those parts out quickly, they'll allow the tuners access to the preproduction models to prepare them. Hell, they have plenty of bits for the CRV and Jazz/Fit. Just because they dress it up as one, doesn't make it a sports car.

You could counter-argue that the early access they've been granted to make the CRZ look more sporting is because Honda are worried it won't be perceived the way they want to, and felt the need to have those parts out at launch.

You miss my point completely. I was trying to say that even though these are the base models i.e. non performance, its still great to see these companies making parts for them. At the end of the day all cars in Japan are limited to 112mph anyway so having something stupendously quick is irrelevant over there. Add to that the fact that most major Japanese cities are hell holes of traffic and congestion and it doesn't add to upto much.

All major manufacturers of aftermarket parts in Japan are granted some form of outlook to the sizing of the the cars and their related components. Its nothing new. Honda do it, Mazda do it, Toyota do it etc. Its nothing to do with perception of anything. Its just you being cynical again.

[sjw]

At the end of the day all cars in Japan are limited to 112mph anyway so having something stupendously quick is irrelevant over there. Add to that the fact that most major Japanese cities are hell holes of traffic and congestion and it doesn't add to upto much.

That's a bit unconvincing - how often do you go over 112mph in the UK? Very few of Evo's peak speeds for Bedford are over that. The urban areas of Japan may be densely populated, but take a look at the place on Google maps, huge areas are not built up at all. Anyway, look at the number of high performance cars tooling around central London, you're much more likely to see an F430 or 911 GT3 RS tooling round Canary Wharfe than tearing up the Evo Triangle.

[Ali]

You miss my point completely. I was trying to say that even though these are the base models i.e. non performance, its still great to see these companies making parts for them. At the end of the day all cars in Japan are limited to 112mph anyway so having something stupendously quick is irrelevant over there. Add to that the fact that most major Japanese cities are hell holes of traffic and congestion and it doesn't add to upto much.

All major manufacturers of aftermarket parts in Japan are granted some form of outlook to the sizing of the the cars and their related components. Its nothing new. Honda do it, Mazda do it, Toyota do it etc. Its nothing to do with perception of anything. Its just you being cynical again.

1. Most tuners remove the 112mph limit and very few enthusiasts cars won't have it removed. So that's irrelevant.

2. Japan is covered in a network of fantastically well maintained country roads, many of them mountainous. To argue your point is a bit like saying no-one in Los Angeles or London owns a performance car because they lack the ability to find a way out of the city to have fun.

3. You're claiming the CRZ is going to be popular because tuners are already producing parts for it. I'm saying that this fact means diddly squat because tuners in Japan produce parts for everything. Mugen CRV or Legend anyone? Someone must lack taste because they've made parts...

And I'm only cynical because someone has to be in the face of your relentless and blind optimism to all things Honda...

[karl]

To be honest I am just going to wait for the hybrid Ferrari, 620bhp with an extra 100bhp from the electric motors. :ymca:

you're waiting for it? why, you going to buy one?

[EvoStu]

You miss my point completely. I was trying to say that even though these are the base models i.e. non performance, its still great to see these companies making parts for them. At the end of the day all cars in Japan are limited to 112mph anyway so having something stupendously quick is irrelevant over there. Add to that the fact that most major Japanese cities are hell holes of traffic and congestion and it doesn't add to upto much.

All major manufacturers of aftermarket parts in Japan are granted some form of outlook to the sizing of the the cars and their related components. Its nothing new. Honda do it, Mazda do it, Toyota do it etc. Its nothing to do with perception of anything. Its just you being cynical again.

1. Most tuners remove the 112mph limit and very few enthusiasts cars won't have it removed. So that's irrelevant.

2. Japan is covered in a network of fantastically well maintained country roads, many of them mountainous. To argue your point is a bit like saying no-one in Los Angeles or London owns a performance car because they lack the ability to find a way out of the city to have fun.

3. You're claiming the CRZ is going to be popular because tuners are already producing parts for it. I'm saying that this fact means diddly squat because tuners in Japan produce parts for everything. Mugen CRV or Legend anyone? Someone must lack taste because they've made parts...

And I'm only cynical because someone has to be in the face of your relentless and blind optimism to all things Honda...

Ali, I'm saying the CR-Z will be popular full stop! Just because you think it won't usually means its what Joe public wants.

[smartie]

To be honest I am just going to wait for the hybrid Ferrari, 620bhp with an extra 100bhp from the electric motors. :ymca:

you're waiting for it? why, you going to buy one?

Yeah got a deposit down on two, one for the wife and one for me.

[EvoStu]

At the end of the day all cars in Japan are limited to 112mph anyway so having something stupendously quick is irrelevant over there. Add to that the fact that most major Japanese cities are hell holes of traffic and congestion and it doesn't add to upto much.

That's a bit unconvincing - how often do you go over 112mph in the UK? Very few of Evo's peak speeds for Bedford are over that. The urban areas of Japan may be densely populated, but take a look at the place on Google maps, huge areas are not built up at all. Anyway, look at the number of high performance cars tooling around central London, you're much more likely to see an F430 or 911 GT3 RS tooling round Canary Wharfe than tearing up the Evo Triangle.

Exactly so why the need for massive performance cars then? Pub talk? Welcome to the dawn of the hybrid.

[Ali]

Welcome to a dead end street....

[EvoStu]

Welcome to a dead end street....

Indeed and you my friend are the proprietor of every single property along it.

[Ali]

Hybrids are a dead end Stu. A stop gap until the whole CO2 nonsense is finally debunked, or a stop gap until hydrogen becomes the default fuel if the current moronic blind panic about [s]the sun being more active[/s] global warming continues. They're overly complicated and the weight of the extra equipment and batteries completely negates any possible fuel saving in the real world. But, they give a fake lower CO2 level on government window stickers in the showroom so the gullible masses will think they're being green and not realise that the massive increase in battery production results in massive increases in strip mines like this:









Welcome to the future. Fake environmentalism FTW

[EvoStu]

If hybrids are dead end mate, why are the majority of major car manufacturers working on them? They have their place in the world whether you like it or not. Honda are also somewhat further ahead than most with other technologies including the hydrogen fuel cell. The fact is alternative fuel technologies are the future and you can either accept it or like you always do deny it and then post something like that above. The day of the fuel supping motor is going to die a death.

[Gravy]

If hybrids are dead end mate, why are the majority of major car manufacturers working on them?

I thought it was because most manufacturers have to maintain a certain average level of CO2 emissions, so If they want to make chelsea tractors and genuine sports variants, they have very little option but to juggle the figures by implementing runs of pseudo-green-friendly cars such as hybrids.